I still truly believe that "LOR SAN TEKKA" a.k.a. Max Von Sydow, is truly the force behind Kylo Ren. If Luke had help from some famous intergalactic explorer who recovers ancient Force related lore and artifacts, it has to be truly possible that SNOKE is an illusion and LOR SAN TEKKA is SNOKE and has a shit load of knowledge about the force and corrupted Kylo Ren as a child with all this knowledge. And why the HELL is LOR SAN TEKKA on JAKKU coincidentally as REY is living there. Even though they never really say that SNOKE and KYLO REN are Sith, wouldn't it be Sith-like trickery and plotting of LOR SAN TEKKA to plot this whole shit out so that Kylo Ren goes bad? I did mention that Kylo Ren's lightsaber is really shittyly made. And the rest of the KNIGHTS of REN we see in the VISION don't be carrying lightsabers right? I think one was carrying a massive snow shovel. Let's say Kylo Ren never made it to the rank of Jedi Knight? Perhaps he fled before that. Maybe he isn't fully trained, but learned a few dark secrets for LOR SAN TEKKA's lore, such as all that FORCE STASIS stuff we saw in the movie.
I still refuse to believe what we saw in the theatre as SNOKE, truly is him. I toss and turn in bed and have restless periods because of that. It has to be an illusion. Like the Wizard of Oz. I have to see if LOR SAN TEKKA actually dies. I said before if you extract the letters for LOR SAN TEKKA you can actually spell SNOKE, so if they ever reveal if SNOKE has a full name then wham! I shall be tamed.
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